7 Nov, 2023

Pete Cohen (00:01.549)

Ray, hello. Happy beautiful day. Happy daily intentions. Happy mindful intentions.

 

Ray (00:07.094)

Good morning to you, Pete. Great to be here.

 

Pete Cohen (00:09.857)

You're looking good, Ray. I know, obviously, I can see you and all our listeners can do is imagine, use their imagination, but you do look really well and healthier than I've seen in all the time I've known you. What are you doing?

 

Ray (00:27.534)

I, as you know, we've talked about this, some listeners may know, I went through some changes living in America. I thought I was coming back to London. And then I was traveling all over the place. I thought I was gonna go to new cities. And eventually I found a new home. And in that space, I recognized in all the disruption and turmoil that I'd probably fallen into something that I can easily do.

 

which is looking for comfort in food. So my diet wasn't great. So all I've done now is mediate that and be a little bit more intentional, new job, kind of new lifestyle in terms of just getting back to eating well. So that's what I've tried to do. It does mean that my belt goes in a couple of notches deeper than it was a few months ago. So thank you for embarrassing me, but also noticing that, thank you.

 

Pete Cohen (01:17.547)

Yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (01:24.321)

Yeah, well, you know, I'm obviously going to see you in a few weeks as well, coming over there for Thanksgiving. And when I think of when I saw you last and when I'm going to see you again, it's almost like I'm going to be seeing a different person because of some of those changes that you've made. And you've obviously, and we're going to talk about this today, you've been consistent with doing certain things that have resulted in.

 

the fact that there's less of you, I would imagine looking at you, you've got less body fat, right? Am I going to I can see that, right?

 

Ray (01:55.805)

yet.

 

Pete Cohen (02:00.189)

Yes. Yeah. You look. So for those of you that want to know what Ray did, he just pulled the camera down so I could see his mid drift and make you looking good. You you use the terminology dad bod before, which you've said about me not having a typical dad bod. And I don't, you know, I pride myself on fitness and well-being. And actually today is also quite a significant day, Ray, because I just hit a milestone of one million meters on my rowing machine.

 

Ray (02:00.45)

Yeah.

 

Ray (02:30.614)

Wow, that's fantastic.

 

Pete Cohen (02:33.257)

Yeah, it is. It really is. And I'm super proud of myself around... And also, we did a podcast which went out last week. It was the 500th episode. I said to you before about the universe just trying to tell me something. I think it definitely is just in terms of numbers. And I don't know exactly what, but there's something...

 

that is going on right now that is showing me just the power of consistency. And I'd love to talk to you about that today. What does consistency mean to you? I know it's a big broad subject, but I'd love to get your take on this.

 

Ray (03:10.658)

Um, I've just looking it up just to get a formal, um, definition, the application of something typically necessary for the sake of logic, accuracy or fairness. It's conformity. That's can be seen as a negative word if people like to have some autonomy. But I think it's for me personally, it is about delivering on an expectation to self and others.

 

And that normally means that delivery system, if you think about branding, that we talk about personal brand is that we all have our relationships with each other, and we all have an expectation of what we're gonna experience with another. And that happens over time. And consistency really is about how do you wanna show up in the world? And are you showing up?

 

and have you aligned the expectation you put on yourself and that of others. So I think we've all been in situations where we've had an interaction with another and afterwards we say, that didn't go well. That could have gone better. So consistency to me is being mindful. It flirts with emotional intelligence, being aware of self, being aware of situation, being aware of others, being aware of the interaction between two.

 

Pete Cohen (04:21.651)

Yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (04:33.685)

Hmm.

 

Pete Cohen (04:38.525)

You know, obviously consistency is hugely important for me in my life, but with all the coaching work I do, I know that to get help people, that they have to be consistent with certain things. I loved what you said there about how do you want to show up in the world? And I love what you said there about, you know, delivering, consistently delivering. And you know what? I became so fascinated with this word a few years ago. I did what you just did there and looked at what does what does the word mean?

 

from a scientific point of view, it means what is holding something together? So chemistry. I think, isn't that amazing? Yeah, it's coherent. How is that being held together? I just find that such a fascinating conversation around, how are you holding yourself together? And obviously, the thing that comes to mind for me around that is around what I've just been through with my wife, how have I managed to hold myself together during

 

Ray (05:14.498)

Cohesion.

 

Pete Cohen (05:35.945)

some challenging times, you also with what you went through over not that long ago being in a position of huge uncertainty, how did you hold it all together? And I know I'd love to hear what you have, what your take is on that.

 

Ray (05:52.79)

Well, for me personally, when you look at the notion of consistency, you've just said a word that comes up for a lot of people, certainty. Now the challenge of certainty is there is no certainty.

 

Pete Cohen (06:08.102)

Hehehe

 

Ray (06:09.718)

Though we sometimes will do things and there may be people listening here that have wonderful lifestyle. They would never come for eat like I did through a season, but we will all have deficiencies in the way we show up to ourselves. Some of them are easily seen, some of them aren't so easily seen. But you've just touched upon something, Pete. I'd love to explore the pursuit of certainty because I certainly work with a lot of people that like certainty.

 

But that's the opposite of faith, being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. So you're appending your certainty, not to yourself, but through faith. That works for me. Love to know how in your life you've dealt with certainty on whether you've needed it.

 

Pete Cohen (06:59.913)

I wish sometimes people could hear the conversations we have before we start talking, because it's just fascinating. So what you said there, can you repeat that saying about being certain of what you cannot see?

 

Ray (07:17.342)

Sorry, my phone's going off. I'm just gonna take that off in a second. Being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. It can be expressed in lots of different ways. It's not my quote, it comes from Hebrews 11, which is often known as the chapter of faith in the Bible. Again, the caveat is I am not preaching to anyone. I'm revealing my authentic identity and part of my identity is my faith.

 

Pete Cohen (07:20.105)

That's all right. It's called life.

 

Ray (07:45.15)

And in there, I found it helpful for me to look at things and faith is having an attachment to a positive outcome, even though there is no evidence of seeing it yet.

 

Pete Cohen (07:56.953)

So what I see in you is I, from a lot of your consistency around who you are is because of your faith. And I'm now learning to love to be sure that everything will be fine based on the back of knowing who I am and consistently doing things in a certain way. And it's a very refreshing way of moving through the world. And...

 

What we said before we went live is that how much I kind of like certainty in certain things. And you're very much quite different to me in some respects. But I'm warming more and more to letting things happen as a result of being consistent with certain things. You know, and I'm...

 

It's a wonderful way of moving through the world. It's very refreshing. It's letting things happen as opposed to forcing things to happen. And I want to be more consistent with that as I consistently, well, as I start sharing more and more with people what happens on this journey. Because, you know, for so much of my life, I've been busy being busy. I've been pushing and pushing and pushing. Now I'm learning to stop and be consistent at stopping to almost let things happen as a result of being intentional.

 

Ray (09:20.919)

So.

 

Couple of points you said there that I absolutely love. You've made reference to time. And I believe consistency, the commitment we should make to consistency is in mindfulness. It's in the moment. I believe certainty is a projection into the future of guaranteed outcomes. We can't always guarantee those. But what we can do is be very aware of where we are in the moment.

 

So your reference to stop is really important that we become aware of our surroundings and where we are. But also when I first met you, and as you know, I have a very unhealthy relationship with acronyms. And we were talking about MI and my intentions, but I talked to you about mind and you used it quite a lot. My intentions now delivered. That's in the moment. I think that's a conscious step.

 

And when you stop, you can say, my intention is to stop and it's being delivered right now. And you pause. And I think that's incredibly important, Peter, for anyone who struggles with the, I'm not gonna use your cliche, struggles with busy being busy.

 

Pete Cohen (10:38.065)

So yesterday, I think I told you I wanted to speak to the therapist again, just around grief. You know, I was working with a therapist because before my wife passed away, because I was just in this really unfamiliar territory, I really wanted some guidance. And I wanted to speak to someone about this, this part of the season that I was in. And then after she's passed, I've been I think I've been I've been dealing with it in a very healthy way.

 

but I just wanted to talk to her again. And it was really helpful. I don't feel the need to talk to her every week. It was just yesterday. And it was really interesting, Ray, what she said about standing still, that the power of life is in standing still, because in standing still, you're alive, you're present, you're in the moment. And again, it just gave me a different take on, when I'm busy being busy, I'm not really present. I'm not really here. And I realized I have spent a huge...

 

part of my life, consistently being busy, being busy, and not really enjoying where I am. And I suppose what I am looking to do is become more consistent in standing in where I am. And I would love to hear from all of our listeners, where would you like to be more consistent? Would you want to be more consistent with certain practices, certain activities, certain stopping of certain things? But I just see the power more and more in my life.

 

in my ability to stop. And you know, you've also used the acronym of stop, stop the ordinary performance. And I think I have been performing in an ordinary way. Some people might think, well, that's an exceptional way. Sorry.

 

Ray (12:17.266)

or suspend the ordinary performance. Because you know you can't.

 

Pete Cohen (12:19.113)

Yeah, suspensions. Which I like more probably. Yeah, I like... Sorry, go on.

 

Ray (12:25.966)

It suggests that you're not gonna stop forever, but go back to the point, let me cross tabulate those two and come back to you. Your therapist standing still, if you look at stillness, it's the absence of movement. It's the absence of sound. It's tranquility. I love that word, tranquility is quiet. It's finding a peaceful state in a noisy world, a disruptive world. And it's really tough to do that.

 

And you've been so successful in reaching many people with your meditation recordings on YouTube. That demand tells us something about the world. People are desperate for stillness because stillness brings calm. I did a post recently, I think you responded to it with the happy hormones. And the happy hormones are really all connected to your Magnificent Seven, you know, how you're eating, how you're sleeping.

 

Pete Cohen (13:02.974)

Mmm.

 

Ray (13:24.266)

how you're resting, thinking. There's all these mood states that our body has a natural gear to help our immune system, our structures, the oxygenization of our body. It's a fascinating piece of machinery, our body, but one of the things connected to that is stillness. Yet the world tells us busy, busy.

 

Pete Cohen (13:47.873)

You know, with those YouTube videos, the ones that are most popular are the ones, affirmations about money, and the other ones are like about relaxing. And it kind of this situation that people find themselves where they're struggling. And often, I think a lot of people think the way out of the struggle maybe is to be busy. You know, what was fascinating for me, having just come back from Italy and coming back from

 

Portugal where I gave two keynote presentations where there was a lot of people in the room that They don't speak English. So they had these sets on where someone was translating so it's interesting when you're Having to deliver a message and there's translators because it takes more time for your message to get through to people but I know I was a breath of fresh air because I'm coming from a place where I've been speaking for years, but

 

I speak now with a renewed sense of who I am and more love in my heart than I've ever had and more self-confidence around, I'm not really particularly interested in what you think about me. I'm just gonna be the best that I can be. And I'm almost stopping and very present while I'm delivering a very powerful presentation. And I think the result of that was, you know, getting...

 

you know, actually, I've got a standing ovation again. I've got two standing ovations, which is not something that happens very often. But it was because I was consistent with my message and I was coming from a place of love. I wonder what your.

 

Ray (15:29.546)

Well, I've shared this before, but love is the law of value extension, the law of value exchange. You extended your authentic heart with others. And when we feel someone's realness, we can't ignore it. It doesn't have to directly relate to us specifically, but we develop really deep copious amounts of empathy.

 

Pete Cohen (15:50.22)

Yeah.

 

Ray (15:59.21)

we connect with a person. And if you look at that, most of us don't know what it's like to be incarcerated for 27 years. But when Nelson Mandela was released and he came out and he was waving and smiling, the world was worried about mass genocide in South Africa. He turned it all around. You know, I know, and I don't want to trigger anyone here because I watched it the weekend. South Africa got into the final, the World Cup,

 

Pete Cohen (16:25.931)

Yeah.

 

Ray (16:28.534)

But I remember when he wore a spring box rugby top, which was unheard of. But what he wore was consistent. He came out and he was someone who advocated, let's find time, stillness, to think about how we're gonna coexist. An incredible person. Because I think if someone restrained me for 27 minutes, I think I'd be, well 27 seconds, I'd probably be quite frustrated.

 

Pete Cohen (16:33.845)

Yeah.

 

Ray (16:58.69)

But he had that demeanor. And I think for you to get a standing ovation, there's a consistency about your story. There's a truth about your story that resonates with people. And when they hear it, they make a connection. You're not talking at them and telling them something that they don't understand. You're very much what I would call Bernie Brown does. You're vulnerable. People get to see who you are.

 

And we've talked about this, it's just about that. It's just a conversation about vulnerability. Where are we? And if we have one, two, three or more people, then that's great. And there's been some great feedback. There are some regular listeners and I am not got a single worry. And I listened back to one where you made a comment. I'd like to ask you a question on that where we had a brief conversation about Mr. Beast and...

 

Pete Cohen (17:28.479)

I think.

 

Ray (17:55.358)

what you revealed is, and you're really authentic, and I love that about you. He's like, well, there is part of me that I want all those followers. And I thought, and you know me, that doesn't really bother me at all. But we're great friends, so that means we both got a vision for the podcast, but on that one element, it's slightly different, but it doesn't create a block. Does that make sense? Yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (18:19.981)

It's funny you say that. You also do. I actually listen back to the same podcast. The other day, I was just in the room next door. I listened back to it and I listened to myself say that. And it's interesting because I reflect back and in a way I do, but it's only because I want to have a bigger impact than I currently have. But I realize now the only way that's ever going to happen is just by being more real. Just you know.

 

And that's why, when you said that before about realness...

 

I just think to be real is to be you and to know who you are. And I can see how difficult that is. And I think I'm a breath of fresh air for a lot of people because everything I've been through has really taught me and the people I've had who have helped and guided me and supported me. Just be yourself. You don't have to be anything else but yourself because you exactly where you need to be. You have everything that you already need. Be your own best friend.

 

and, and henceforth move forwards. And I'm very thankful for that. And I again, I want to just pose to people that are listening to this. What do you think of this conversation? Because this is very, very deep. Yeah. And I just wanted to also just say to you, you know, I was, I had this wonderful deja vu when I was in Florence, because

 

I actually forgot, right, I know this sounds a bit crazy, but I created a meditation where you go into the museum where the statue of David is. And I created this meditation and you go in, you see the statue of David and you look at it and you go, wow, this incredible piece of work by Michelangelo. And you're looking at it and then Michelangelo comes out and says, hi, and you look at the statue with him and then he invites you into a little room and says, hey, look, here's a bit of marble inside that marble is you.

 

Pete Cohen (20:21.317)

and let's carve that you out. So when I realized, oh, I'm in Florence, I thought I've got to go to the museum. There was a national strike on the day I arrived. So I got up super early in the morning the next day. I got into Florence at seven, had two hours, waited in a queue and went in and didn't wait very long because my friend Mary Stedman helped me get in there quickly. And it was weird because I looked at it and I thought, you know what, I've been here before.

 

I have been here before because in my mind I've been in that museum hundreds of times and it was one of the most beautiful feelings and then Ray I sat on a chair, put the meditation on whilst looking at the statue of David and it was because I have consistently listened to it that something truly magical happened and I haven't really told too many people about that and I would just love your reflections on that in terms of what do you see going on there.

 

Ray (21:21.27)

Visualization works for many people. And there's the neuroscience of it, and start there that it has a great impact on mood states because you're taking yourself into environments and let's just keep them in the positive mode. You're connecting with things that you have a real strong affinity to. And they transpose into your mind, which then creates a chemical reaction into your body.

 

that fills you with optimism, hope, excitement, curiosity. And when you watch kids in normal environmental situations, they're explorers, they're playing with each other. As we get into adulthood, sometimes the edge is taken off and we allow experience to go, oh, we won't bother doing this. Actually, I see visualization as, and I hope this makes sense.

 

it's an opportunity to go back to playing again. But you're allowing the mind to explore. And when you do that, it's so powerful because it's the what if moment. No one can see that visualization from you. And if it motivates you, if it lifts you, I mean, really, I put it parallel to praying, meditation, visualization, praying. They're all deliberate, intentional states.

 

My intention is now delivered in meditation, in prayer, in visualization. And one of the things on our LNTOP is if you look at, and you know I'm fascinated by the biographies of people, many people that have succeeded outwardly actually succeeded first inwardly. So that's the other thing about consistency. I think we should look at consistency starting internally with the way we

 

Pete Cohen (23:18.43)

Yeah.

 

Ray (23:19.858)

see ourselves because there's this constant tension between what we can control and what we can't control. And we're never gonna be able to control the world around us. There are gonna be tragedies, disappointments and all sorts that you're living through. The world is living through various parts of the world right now. But actually what we can do is internally make a commitment to being consistent in the way we choose to respond to the world.

 

There's lots of reactions to the world, but responding is being mindful before you react. But it's so easy to react. And I think that's where the busyness and attention and some of the dissension and anger can crop up. And it's not easy because we can all be triggered by things. But I would say those who get mounting top moments, and I say that cautiously, whether it be in business.

 

whether it be in sport, culture, music, whatever it is, anyone listening right now, whoever you admire. I talked about Nelson Mandela earlier in the political, geopolitical sense, but whoever it might be that you personally admire, most people have a really positive internal state. The other person that comes to mind as I think about this and I'll see if you know, is someone who is

 

seen as being highly intelligent.

 

Ray (24:54.69)

hair all over the place. And when we use his word, people immediately append it to high IQ and intelligence. But actually if you look at his quotes, this guy was obsessed by internal equilibrium balance. When I'm talking about Einstein, read some of his quotes. He was very appended to creativity. He fostered that in his thinking. An incredible.

 

Pete Cohen (25:04.112)

No.

 

Pete Cohen (25:07.851)

Yeah.

 

Yeah.

 

Einstein, yeah.

 

Ray (25:23.73)

individual when it came to his philosophies, but they started internally. But we miss all of that because popularly people think, okay, he came up with this proposition and theory, but there's a lot more to him in terms of understanding his biography.

 

Pete Cohen (25:40.397)

Well, imagination, as he said, is more important than knowledge. And that is internal, that internal state that we have. And I think you just shone another big light on being intentional. When you're intentionally consistent with something, you're really focusing on it. And that's something I've been doing. I've been much more intentional about a few things, mainly about exercise and diet, actually. Just focusing on it, going a little bit

 

Ray (25:44.415)

100% is intern.

 

Pete Cohen (26:08.709)

more into the things I'm doing. And I know, as you said, I know how difficult and challenging that can be. You know, when I was in Florence, and look, I'm obviously fortunate enough to be able to do things like this. And I understand not everyone can. But if you get a chance to listen to the meditation, or go and look at a video and look at the statue of David, that story of Michelangelo is truly unbelievable. I decided to revisit his life, because like you said, I love to hear the stories of people's lives and

 

what he went through in his childhood and this abandoned piece of marble that everyone just discarded, but he saw the statue of David in that marble. And it is, I was just there, just sat there, I couldn't move. There was loads of other things to look at, Ray, but I didn't want to look at any of them. There was too many things to look at. I just thought, I'm not interested in anything. I just want to sit here and observe this. And it was a wonderful, profound moment. And at the moment, I will never, ever, ever forget.

 

You know, the power of stopping is something that I'm learning to embrace more and more, to have faith in, in that everything I have is everything I need. There was something else that I wanted to share, but it is gone from my mind. We have coming up to the 2% of your day that people have invested into this podcast with us today. And I would love to know from, from people that are listening to this, to let us know, where would they like to be more consistent?

 

What about you Ray? Is there any area of your life that you're looking to continue to be consistent in or something you're looking to do that's different or stop doing?

 

Ray (27:47.106)

So again, just following the theme, I do believe there are two states. There's the internal state, the narrative we have with ourselves, the things that are invisible, and then we've got the external state. So I totally appreciate the fact that you can acknowledge and witness and say, oh, you must have done something with your diet because you look different than the last time I saw you. They're external states. I'm...

 

probably more focused on internal states. And one of the reasons, it's a really simple proposition, but external states are socially situated, so they have strong evidence. So you provided evidence to me, or if someone's successful in business, they've got evidence. We tend naturally to look for things that we can see evidence in. And if I go back to the faith statement, being sure of what you hope for, certainly what you cannot see.

 

I tend to, if I'm being honest, try to focus on what you cannot see, because that's the engine room that creates what you see. So when we are skewed towards evidence-based, we can find ourselves being people-pleasers. I want to look good for someone else. I want to be accepted by someone else. I want to be loved by someone else. And they're outside measures. It goes back to vanity analytics on social media.

 

You said something earlier, you know, I just want to reach as many people. And one of the indications would be measuring your reach compared to say, others, Mr. Beast, for example, what I smile internally about is we have no idea who you're reaching because actually that state of measurement is an external measure, but actually if we measured the metaphysical world, that invisible world, the movement you're creating in 10 people could be more than the movement.

 

Pete Cohen (29:29.024)

Yeah.

 

Ray (29:42.242)

that someone does motivating a thousand people or 10,000 people. That's the difference I would say. That's where I am is really trying to work with, and it's not easy, that invisible state that you've talked about your counseling yesterday, stillness. So spending the ordinary performance, taking time for self so that you can show up better for others.

 

Pete Cohen (30:11.185)

I absolutely love that. Because if we were looking at measuring how you are externally to the internal state that you have changed around what you're doing, it's immeasurable. And that's where the magic is. That's where the magic really is. It's what we do internally. And obviously, that's something we encourage, especially if you want to stop the ordinary or suspend the ordinary performance to go within and realize what you actually have in you.

 

That's where the magic is of all human beings.

 

Ray (30:44.91)

Can I give an example for you? You've recently celebrated 500, your 500th podcast. Now that's an outward acknowledge measure. What I'm more interested in is the fortitude and the persistence that got you to 500. So can you see, that's a good way of looking at it. The 500 is great. It's an outward measure we can all applaud, but I'm looking at you, sir, and saying, wow, what is it about your character?

 

Pete Cohen (30:58.007)

Yeah.

 

Ray (31:14.498)

that has allowed you to consistently drive home podcasts for eight years is incredible. And that to me is the internal. So that's what I'm interested in. And that's what I enjoy in our conversations is what has given you that drive. Because that is the actual engine. I'm interested in your engine room, Pete. The 500 is because that's evidence. But your engine room is the thing.

 

Pete Cohen (31:22.undefined)

No, yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (31:35.05)

Yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (31:39.257)

Yeah. So what's so fascinating for me about that is when I go back and listen to the first podcast or the 50th or the 100th, I just realized I'm not who I was. I have, I am so much better. And it's not what you see, even though you still could see it, I'm sure, but it's inside. I'm just better. And you're right, that's where the magic is. It's not the number. The number is fantastic, well done. But it's like, who have I become on this journey? And I think

 

That's my biggest takeaway. If we become more intentional and more consistent with certain activities and stopping certain activities, what is the internal shifts that are going to happen? And I think...

 

Ray (32:26.306)

Can I say something there that I think is fascinating? I don't want to go too deep, but we are already your Your consistency in the internal world Has meant through what you've just said that even though your external socially situated Person has changed and the early podcasts are different It doesn't really matter that each of them is different because that's evidence of you growing and develop

 

Pete Cohen (32:32.393)

Yeah, that's good. I like it. It's for me.

 

Ray (32:55.286)

but there's been a constituent part in your internal world that's remained consistent. I want to serve others. That's not gone for 500 episodes. I applaud you for that. That's the thing that I think I want listeners to hear. When there are those essential ingredients into your DNA, it's the reason why when we met, I've said to you, that's what you do, you serve others. That's the consistency that I see in you.

 

Pete Cohen (33:03.421)

Yeah.

 

Ray (33:24.51)

I know you wrestle with how do I serve them, but for me that's less of a worry because that will evolve and develop over time. What I love is there are very few people that I've come across in my life that have that level of consistency.

 

Pete Cohen (33:41.349)

Yeah, it's learning to just play with it differently. And that's what I'm learning to do. And a lot of that has around faith, around stopping, being more intentional and being working with you, you know, which has just been just amazing. And I know that we've only just got started and I know in a couple of weeks, I'll be with you for Thanksgiving with you and your family. And I'm sure we'll record some episodes together, but.

 

Ray, I want to thank you for your time.

 

Ray (34:10.582)

And the bridge is complete for you. I just want to tell the listeners that if you look at Pete Sochals, he's got a fascinating one where, on a hunch I took him down a footpath near my home. We heard a woodpecker, but what you won't know is we stopped at a point where there was a bridge that hadn't fully been completed. And I sent Pete a picture, it's been completed so the next time you come across, we'll be able to continue the walk in that direction. And...

 

Pete Cohen (34:22.324)

Yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (34:38.486)

Yeah.

 

Ray (34:40.058)

I see that as almost like a parallel metaphor for life. We couldn't go down that pathway because the bridge wasn't complete. And it's a bit reflection as we get to know and love each other. We've now got more of a distance to go into that area and reach in. And that's really what we're all trying to do is go a little bit deeper in our relationships. And they start internally with ourselves so that we can show up better for each other. And that's a delight. So I'm looking forward to that walk.

 

Pete Cohen (35:09.173)

Me too. Well, when you sent me the message, I couldn't work out what you were trying to say is completed. And I was looking at it was a picture of your wife and I was thinking, what are you talking about? You know, but then after I looked at it about four or five times, I went, I know what he's talking about. And it's that bridge. And it sounds like a cliche, but we can build bridges. You know, I think most of us know that in building a bridge, you want to do that with other people so you can walk across it together. You know, and that's what you.

 

Ray (35:36.759)

Yeah.

 

Pete Cohen (35:37.873)

you show me is around like serving, I want to serve, I want to continue to serve. But this has been a deeply profound 2.5% of your day. What was your biggest takeaway? Feel free to reach out to us. Probably LinkedIn is the best platform for that. And Ray, thank you so much for your time today. And we'll be back.

 

Ray (36:00.13)

Thank you for the listeners, it's been great.

 

Pete Cohen (36:04.237)

Take care.

 

Ray (36:06.478)

Bye for now.