30 Dec, 2020

086 Interview with Naveen Jain – The Billionaire Mindset

A guy who thinks way outside of the box, in fact, so far outside of the box, outside of the atmosphere, all the way to the moon!

Naveen Jain is an entrepreneur and philanthropist driven to solve the world’s biggest challenges through innovation. A man who knows no limits.

Great quotes from the man himself:

  • Why would you not want to live your life just like your heartbeat, it is up and down.
  • To me, that difference between being alive and dead; the day you lose Curiosity is the day you have actually died. 
  • The day you fall in love with yourself, the world will fall in love with you.
  • Your success is never defined by how much money you have in the bank, your success is defined by the lives you’re able to touch and improve.
  • Ideally, if I were to be ever known as I would rather be known as a great father

Key points:

  • Self-love
  • Childlike curiosity and intellectual curiosity
  • Limitations
  • Imagination
  • Great father

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086 Interview with Naveen Jain - The Billionaire Mindset


Pete Cohen  0:03

Happy beautiful day. It's the Mi365 podcast. It's Pete Cohen, and this is a podcast, I would really, really encourage you to listen to. Why? Because I'm talking to one of the most inspirational people on this planet. This is a guy who thinks, way outside of the box, in fact, so far outside of the box, outside of the atmosphere, all the way to the moon, and beyond to boldly go where no man really has gone before to do what others don't do to be open up to the world of possibility. My guest today is Naveen Jain. Guys, get ready, get ready to open your ears, open everything pretty much and just listen. Because after you've listened to this, I promise you your life could never be the same again. And that's what the Mi365 podcast is all about. We are here to inspire people to go from wherever they are to wherever they want to be to boldly go and create an incredible an extraordinary life, not by chance, but by design. See you after the theme tune.


I'm so excited. I've had many guests, five years of podcasting. I've spoken to some incredible people. But having the opportunity to speak to this gentleman who's our guest today is it's truly something amazing for me, because of how this man has inspired me to think bigger than I've been currently thinking to believe in what is possible. Naveen, thank you so much for joining me today. How are you?


Naveen Jain  2:00

First of all, it's an absolute honor and a pleasure to be speaking with you. Because you know, people like you are really the gift to humanity, because you give your time to bring the message of hope, the message of possibilities to the millions of people who are listening to this. And to me, you give your love and time unconditionally to the people who don't even know because they just by listening to you, they actually get better. So thank you for doing what you do. Well, I've had many guests, and I must admit of all the times where someone said they haven't been able to make the podcast. What use the reason that you gave was the best reason I've ever heard even though it was traumatic, you know, I mean, it was like, it wasn't a good thing, right? Because you're currently now on an island, one of the one of the British Virgin Islands, and it was a fire on the island, right? Yeah, last week, they were just there was a propane tank that actually caught fire. And thankfully, nobody was hurt. So then not much damage, supposedly good. And you lost the connectivity for about, you know, about a day. And that's the reason I had to change our time. That's not the deal. We are back here again. Yeah, I mean, honestly, we are so excited. Our little team here, we've been talking about you. And we've been looking. So I came across you. I had no idea who you were. But I watched the School of greatness podcast, and I was watching as I watched on YouTube, and I was watching it in my head. And I must admit I, there were moments I was going, Is this real? is this guy? What he's saying? Is this the truth? Does this guy really have the rights to mine on the moon? Does this person is he? Is he really wanting to make huge difference to this world? Is he dizzy? Is this real? Is this for real? Because it was almost too far-fetched for me to get my head around. But then I dived a bit deeper. And I thought, No, this guy is for real. So for those of us that don't know, for those of us that don't know who you are, just tell us who you are, what you do. And like, I was gonna say slightly something different Pete here, which is you, and everyone listening to it can actually do all the audacious thing that we think are difficult, because until we put our mind to it, the day before any breakthrough is a crazy idea. And they after the breakthrough, it's an obvious idea, right? You know, people now look at the world and saying, you can have vaccines out in less than 10 years. And now look when the humanity came together. And we have COVID in less than a year we have a vaccine outright, people will be able to actually benefit. And the amazing things about human mind and the human potential is the only thing that can actually stop us from making progress is our imagination. Only things we can achieve are the things we can imagine. Right? And that to me is you need that every one of us has to see when we see this can't be done. All that really means is this can be done by the person who's saying it can be done.


For anyone else it is possible. It is what we think is not possible is only thing that we can be the one that can actually solve the problem. So what I have found every single time, you know, having looked at a lot of great people, and a lot of people who actually have a greatness in them, but they are not actually be able to execute on their greatness is they didn't believe in themselves. They didn't believe in their idea, they did not believe it was possible, or they were surrounding themselves with the people who brought them down. They were surrounding themselves with the people who told them, Pete, you're not the one who can do that. You don't have the money, you didn't come from the rich family, you don't have the resources, you don't know the right people? And the answer is, it doesn't matter. the right people you get to know are the ones when you put your mind to doing something. The universe aligns itself, when you put your intent out there, I am going to go out and help a million people live a better life. You put intent out there people just like you did, guess what happens, you will find the right group of people you will actually find your message resonates.


Pete Cohen  6:08

So you know, my background is in psychology. And when someone is talking I who I like really interested in I'm always trying to figure out what is happening. Where is this coming from? And the immediate sense that I get from you is, this is a very childlike quality that you have of just thinking about what is possible. It's a type of tank thinking that most children would just naturally have anyway. But through going through a number of different systems that we're all kind of exposed to that that almost gets extracted from us and fitting in and being like everybody else. So my question is, have you always thought like that? And who influenced it was that people that influenced you? I know part of your story where you came from? And but yeah, where did that come from?


Naveen Jain  6:54

So Pete, you know, at the end of the day, people always want to have the simple answer, this event happened. And that's what this change. And I think the life is a lot more nuanced and a lot more complex. It is really one thing built on other thing, it is people say the last straw that broke the camel's back. And we all know it is all the straws along the lines that actually bind up. So our thinking really changes with one event. Our thinking is constantly evolving slowly, slowly. And one day it becomes big enough, when the switch happens and you say, you know what, I no longer have to live by the constraint that I was living by. And me that started to happen that I started to feel that I myself was constraining of what I thought was possible. And if suddenly occurred to me, the more audacious your ideas are, the easier the can to actually solve them. Because the best and the brightest along around the world want to work on the toughest problem, the best and the brightest want to work on the problem that can help that can create their legacy that can help a billion people live a better life, right? So to me, even my mother, who loves me so much will used to tell me, you are a bright eyed guy, you can do anything, the sky is the limit. Just remember what she says the sky is the limit, right? And she put that limit right out there. Without understanding that sky doesn't exist, the sky is a figment of our imagination, right? When we go from here to the Mars, we don't say Hey, Mom, I just passed the sky, there is no sky. And the reason I see that is how many people who are listening to it create their own sky along the way. I can do this with AWS. And there's a sky right there. I that's my limit. Right? So we read these limits, because we can't imagine beyond that.


Pete Cohen  9:00

It's fascinating, because I wonder. I like to think that everyone has the capability to think like that. And I still do. I think everyone can think like that. But there's a couple of things. There's actually an ancient Indian Sanskrit word, which has been around for obviously, 1000s of years, meaning hero in the beginning. So when I first heard this, I thought, Okay, so what did people stop doing two and a half, 1000 years ago, that they would do for a few days, and then they would stop? I trying to think when they stop building something and stop or because now there's more opportunities than ever to start things and for us to do incredible, you know, to go to the moon to mine the moon, to you know, get rid of so many of the health challenges that we face. I'm just curious as to why do you think that we can start things and be heroic at the beginning, but then just give up as soon as I don't know as soon as maybe something is difficult. Or I wonder why you think that is?


Naveen Jain  10:03

Yeah. So I think, two or three reasons why that happens. One is we have this fear of failure. And other thing is our don't as a fear of failure comes from the fact that we believe, what if we feel, and then the second part, What will they think I don't know who they are, what they think of me. And they decide whether I can do this or not. And what I realized was, what if you fall in love with yourself, you actually just love yourself so much. And I'm not talking about being self-conceited. I meant by simply not needing someone's approval for doing things you want to do. And that's what I call my self-love, self-love comes from the fact. So let's assume I walking and someone walks up to me and say, You are really stupid. Now, I could react to it. Or I could just simply say, you know, thank you very much for pointing that out. I hope you get to know me someday better. And I hope that you know, your life will change. Or if I'm really being snippy, I would say, you know, I wish your mother gave you more love than she did. Because you would not hate yourself so much that you have to hate everyone outside.


Because the day you fall in love with yourself, the world will fall in love with you. If you hate yourself, you will hate the world and everyone else who is around you. And to me the trick really is to no longer wanting other people's approval. Because here's the trick, if you want everyone to love you, is the easiest thing I can tell you do nothing, be nothing, stand for nothing and be a doormat and people who love you.


But that's not what you want in life. Something you see that really is interesting. And I want to just expand on that. You know the childlike curiosity, the intellectual curiosity. To me, that difference between being alive and dead, the day you lose the Curiosity is the day you have actually died. The day you no longer are all of the nature and all of the wonder of everything that's happening around you, you're not in all with what the what you can possibly do is the day you have actually died. A lot of us have this tendency to want to live what we call a smooth life, the life that is to some extent a life that is not much excitement. And people think there's a really nice, stable life. And you know, the I was really, I've always wondered is, the only time we know someone is alive? Is what we do we check their heartbeat to see Are they alive or not by looking at the heartbeat. And you know what the heartbeat looks like when you look at it up and down and up and down and up and down. And when we see the smooth line, you're dead?


Why would you not want to live your life just like your heartbeat, it is up and down. And when it is down, you just have to hunker down with your friends and family. Knowing that the next beat is going to be up and very on top of that beat. Just remember not to be too cocky, because you know, next bit is going to be down the Winter is coming right.


And then if you living a life, that is mood, you're living a life of a dead person, that is no excitement. There's no adventure, there is no reason to live. Right? And that's what most of us want. Why would you want to live a life? That is life of a dead person?


Pete Cohen  13:40

I've never heard that before, I'm definitely going to use that. I'll quote you the first three or four times and then I'll say it as if it was me that said, I'm only joking. I really like that because that is life. That's your heartbeat. So you know, there's no ups we know downs. And it's like you want the downs because then you appreciate the access where you learn. Thank you. I've never, I've never I've never thought of that like that. And I suppose ultimately, human beings, we only really change when I think, you know, when our perspective changes.


And there was some there was so many things that you said I wanted to just tell you a little bit because before we came on, I showed you a few of the rocks that I have in my house. My wife was actually given 18 months to live. 10 years ago, she was diagnosed with a very aggressive brain tumor. And I had I had a coach for 16 years he was from Cebu in the Philippines. He was A to F 16 brothers and sisters. And I worked with him for 16 years until he passed away. He was a lot older than me. And when my wife was in hospital, I called him up. And I said to him, what should I do? And he said, find people that are still alive with the same brain tumor and find out why. Which was a brilliant bit of advice because I would not have thought of that. And then he said ask her what will she do when she gets better?


And I said but she's only been given 18 months to live. And then he went. So what? People defy the odds all the time. You don't have to believe what other people tell you. And that's one of the things I love about what you said about SAY. When people say, they say is like, who the Who are these people? You know, do they live in a house somewhere, or they're there they are that day. You know, it's so easy to believe what other people tell you and I was when I went to pick up when he wants to go to the moon with you. And I was telling him when I studied psychology, I learned really nothing I learned from when I left University, really. But the one thing I found interesting was the work of a guy called Albert Bandura, whose work was about self-efficacy. And I found that so fascinating that someone could believe something but not be as talented as someone else. And they can outperform someone because of what they believe. And what does self-belief mean, to you? I'm really curious, what is belief?


Naveen Jain  15:59

The belief is your mindset that tells you that what is the filter that you put on everything that you see, right? So in some sense, our belief system defines the world we see. So if we believe that universe is evil, guess what? Every single thing that happens, you think, Oh, my God, I knew the world is against me. And that's why I stub my toe. But you don't know the reason you stub your toe could change the way everything happens in your life. And you want to know the impact of it for 10 years. And this is really the interesting thing, since we're talking about the eastern philosophies.


Are our emotions change the time we label something good or bad? If he says, No, oh, this happened, oh, my God said great news. And suddenly, you're elated. And you said, Oh, this happens, oh, my God, that's really such a terrible news. And then you're down and you're emotionally drained. And you don't know that every single thing that happened in your life, you could have at that time, thought it was bad, need you who you are today. And if you love yourself, who you are today, why would you want to change anything that happened in the past? Because if that did not happen, you will be a different person. And you may not love that person. Right? Yeah. And a great story that I still remember, I think my grandfather used to always tell me that, you know, when something happens excepted as is rather than labeling, it is a you know, something, and this is a story, he would tell me, he says, in this village, there was this man who had this young son, and his young son was in the farm, and a heart is tapped on the sons tool. And he actually broke his foot and he could not walk properly. Everybody in the village thought this was the most unlucky man who has one son, who is now is not able to walk properly. How unfortunate of this man, right? A month later, they had a drastic, and they came to the village. And they took all the young people who could fight, but they could walk properly. And they left his son behind because he couldn't walk properly. Yeah, guess what everybody in the village said, You are the luckiest man in the world who son is still with us. And we all lost our sons. So my point was, even that the thought was bad turned out to be the best event, right? So my point is that in the future defines what that even is, rather than us actually taking, and making sure that event is bad, and we all feel bad. So to me, what I've learned in life now is everything that happens.


I go to my guitar training that says, you know, if I have everything that happened and everything that I have to do, there are only two types of things, things I have control over and things I don't have control over. So the way I say, if I don't have any control over something, it is what it is. And it will be what will be and I have no control over it. So I never worry about it. And the things that are actually in my control, I say look, I am going to do the best I can and it is what it is and it will be what with me and I'm not going to worry about and deal with all the pressure. So in Sanskrit and in in Gita, it says focus on your action and let the outcome be what will be right. That means you simply go and do the best you can and believe the universe is your friend. And even if the outcome is not what you expected, it is the best outcome someday you're going to realize because you don't know what it leads you down. So every time you get hurt every time somebody breaks your heart every time that things did not happen the way you wanted. Believe the universe is your friend. It is happening for a reason for the best. And you will know 10 years from now you're gonna say, Oh my god, I'm so lucky, I didn't get that job. Because look at what I'm doing that


Pete Cohen  20:10

I, you know, I just realized one of the things I absolutely love about you, I was giving a talk to a company the other day about AI versus AI. So artificial intelligence, and ancient intelligence. And obviously, you're in love with both of those things, you know, there is no future without the past. And ancient intelligence definitely teaches us so much. And from my learnings, and my curiosity to understand, you know, what makes a great human being. And I think it's, from what I see, it's about, you know, those virtues of courage and wisdom and self-control and hope and zest and optimism. And it's when you practice those things, I think that we experience life to the full, but there was something that that that you said, I wanted to ask you about this. So in Hinduism, I think they call it Maya. In Buddhism, they call it Duka, this kind of natural, dysfunctional state of the mind. What's your understanding of that? I mean, is it a natural state that if we don't work on our minds, our minds will work against us? What's your kind of your take on that?


Naveen Jain  21:18

To the word Maya and Duka is really what they call hallucination. That means things that you are seeing may or may not exist, right. And the way I look at that word is very different. The way I look at the stuff is, if you can describe a world that you see, and you can describe it in such vivid details, you actually can create that, right? To me, the only thing the reason people can create something that doesn't exist is because they don't have a clear picture of what that world looks like. Because if you can see, I want to live in a world. And you can see, imagine our world. And this is the power of the word imagined By the way, most people don't understand. When you ask yourself, Am I still beat? Imagine, guess what happens? All your preconceived ideas are gone. And you think, Okay, what you want me to imagine, I say, imagine a world where your grandmother is rocking and climbing up the Mount Everest because she is not frail anymore. Imagine a world that she still remembers everything because she doesn't have a dimension. Imagine a world where you loved ones never had to die from cancer or had to suffer through chemotherapy or immunotherapy. And literally went through that pain. All of these things are could be optional. All of these things could be actually in something we can control through our own lifestyle. And I can keep describing that when we say you know what, I can imagine that world. Imagine these people didn't suffer when we were you know, in 5000 years ago, something had changed in our lifestyle. That is more and more people are having cancers. More and more people are developing these obesity, more and more people having heart hardly seizures, what is going on what is going on, is we are no longer in one innate with nature, we don't have a symbiotic relationship with the nature and the nature used to be we all live in peace in the farm. And what we didn't know at that time, we didn't realize what that means, to these scientifically visualize that we as humans, are not alone. We are a super organism, not a single homogeneous organism is super organism consists of 40 trillion of these organisms inside, on us everywhere. Every time we breed, we are breeding billions of these and exceeding billions of them out. And depending on where we live, if you're living in the farm, we actually now are breeding the nature microbiome the universe has created. And now we become one with nature. And those people don't get to develop allergies, they don't have eczema. They don't have Alzheimer's disease like and now people are living in the jungle of London and jungle of New York concrete jungle. They are developing all these diseases. So what is that? And to me, that is simply that thought, what got me to start thinking this problem can be solved. And as you and I both know, you are a customer, as you mentioned a while is that's why we started because we believe that chronic diseases can be prevented and intercepted.


Pete Cohen  24:44

And so, so, so fascinating. Again, I'd had a big epiphany about Yeah, the mind. Well, that's what my coach said to me. He asked me one day he goes, What's the nature of your mind? And I tried to give him an answer based on my study of psychology and he asked me and he said, this is the nature mind is your mind plays tricks on you. How do you? How do you come to mind and I get I try to give him. He said, If you can find some humor and what you're thinking and realize the illusion that your mind is creating, then you put yourself in a position where you're no longer a victim. If you choose to believe what your mind is telling you, you're in trouble. But what I absolutely love about what you said, and again, you've given me a different, more powerful perspective of this is that you can trick your mind into believing something that hasn't happened yet. But even when you see it is already happened. You know, Wayne Dyer spoke about that. And you'll see it when you believe everything you see that man has created as existed twice, right? Once in their mind, and then once in reality, but what I admire so much about you is that you've asked the questions that most people wouldn't ask. And then you've gone out to do things which say people wouldn't do. But like you said, when you're in love with yourself, you don't care what other people say, because you must have come up against a lot of opposition. But do you? Do you listen to the opposition? Do you pay attention to what people are saying about you? And, you know, like Arnold Schwarzenegger would say, you know, you don't listen to the naysayers.


Naveen Jain  26:11

And honestly, actually, you do want to listen to them, because you can learn a lot from the critiques that people have. So you always listen to them. But at the same time, you don't let them affect you. Right. So it's like seeing when there is sun, and there is the air, you can't ignore the sun and air, but you actually feel the warmth and the breeze, and you don't let it affect you. In a sense that, you know, it is around you, or you don't let it impact who you become you don't let someone else define who you are. In the mindset. It's just really amazing. We tell his stories to ourselves, right? You know, I can't do this, because, and then you tell the stories to convince yourself why he can do that, right? In fact, because really interesting. My sister who is little overweight, and I was telling her let's go for a walk, she said, Oh, you don't understand, I can't walk because it my knees hurt. And I said, sister, the knees hurt because you have to lose weight. And that's why your knees are easy. You just don't understand why I can do. So I say here's what we're going to do today. You're going to just walk, just walk with me. And I'm going to make sure you don't fall. She walked and came back. And then she did again. And she this morning. She said, You know what? I think I'm going to do it every day because I think I can walk now. And it was just that simple fact that she believes she can. And she told the story. If I did, it will hurt me. And that's the reason I don't walk.


Pete Cohen  27:51

I love what you said about because again, every time I probably wouldn't do it to everyone, but anytime someone says because I'll just go because you're just exactly just putting a limit on what you can do. And I know just slightly changing the subject. I saw you on the Mind Valley, the Mind Valley podcast and you were saying that you're 61 right. But your biological age is 41. Right? Is that correct?


Naveen Jain  28:18

49, yes


Pete Cohen  28:19

Yeah. So tell us tell us a little bit about your take on health and, and why you created Viome and what Viome stands for and what it's doing?


Naveen Jain  28:29

Yeah, so that's a big thing in biological age is how well your body is aging. For some reasons we define our age in a chronological term from the time we are born. That is our age. Our age is actually defined by two things. How is our biological body performing at the level? And secondly is, are we actually still have that mindset of a child? Right? As I think you mentioned right in the beginning that when you are a child you have in finite curiosity. When you see it color yellow, and red, you're playing with a guess what you give anything in front of a child they want to break it, they want to open it up, they want to see what is happening. When the first time they see a leaf of a tree. They are amazed by this year flower they are amazed by it. And as we grew up, we lose that all and the wonder and everything that curiosity of why such a thing exists. It's only a child when you want to shut up and I when I remember my two year old son would come and say but why, but why, but why like, always curious, why does something happen and they always want to know why, why. When we become adult. We get the why. On we want to know is how, how, how you don't even know what you just want. Tell me what to do I just doesn't mean out to do it, forget them. And, to me, our age is defined by those two things, do we still have the intellectual curiosity and one can be wonder and can be had the awe of the things we see, and how well our body is performing at the level.


Pete Cohen  30:21

I think I have to tell you, I was doing something last night with a group of people who want who want to change. And I just had another massive epiphany, from what you just said in it. I think there is a lot of fear that is attached to stepping into this world of seeing the world this way. Because once you start to see the world in this way, you can't really go back again. When she really started to see there's a I've written many books. And actually, I just tell you a story. I had a meeting with HarperCollins, they published a few of my books. And then we were talking that they wanted to do a big book deal. And I went there with my agent at the time. And my coach, Rafael when he was alive. And Raphael said nothing is a little guy, you know, just sits there listening. And at the end, I said, Raphael, do you want to say anything? And he said, Do you want me to speak? I said, Yes, please. And he said, Okay, there was 16 of them in the room and three of us, he goes, who here has ever been in love? They all put their hands, right? He goes, who here ever received a love letter? And you got the love letter? This was like quite a long time ago, right? But email wasn't what it is today. And he said, Did you read the letter, like over and over and over again. And the more you read the letter, the more you felt what the person felt, who wrote the letter, he goes, that is the book that we want to write, we want to write a book that talks to people that people either will throw the book down, because they feel it's too personal, or they can't put the book down. And everything with you is just like you're a walking talking person who's living in this world of just infinite possibilities. And I think I mean, I must admit, I have been scared to step into that space. Because once you step into that space, you can't make excuse, there are no excuses. There are no everything is everything is always possible. Everything is happening for you, not to you. And it's I think if we've invested so much into thinking and acting in a certain way, that limits us, it's whether do we really want to let go of that. And I think that's why I'm so attracted to you into who you are. And I'm also really attracted. I mean, we can talk more about buying but the money side of it. I mean, you're very humble. And I know that, you know, you're known as a as a billionaire. What is your relationship to money? In terms of what does money mean to you? What is money symbolize to you?


Naveen Jain  32:53

Honestly, I don't even look. Because to me, you know, your success is never defined by how much money you have in the bank, your success is defined by the lives you're able to touch and improve. And to secondly, ideally feel, if I were to be ever known as I would rather be known as a great father, because need not about just what you do. It is about what you have left behind for the world, and can they continue the world or the world improve the world that that you left for them? Right. And I think to me, the biggest the proudest moment is anyone who has ever followed me on social media, you know, a look at my oldest son, he's not either


Pete Cohen  33:41

Amazing, amazing.


Naveen Jain  33:43

Easing things he's doing. He's not only improving the world out, he's doing it with a great pleasure with the, you know, the things that actually care and empathy that you need to help billions of people live a better life. Our daughter is now in the path of a women's health. And you know, she did the things about gender bias. And now she wants to go into women to tell. Our youngest one also is now being an entrepreneur. So all of them. Yeah.


Pete Cohen  34:12

I just said I saw what your son is doing. And it's like, I saw you wrote something about him on LinkedIn. And I then went and read that and I reached out to your son and I would love to do a podcast with him. But you know what, maybe one thing at a time. That to me is the mark of a great leader is where people just follow you not because you've told them what to do, but because they are inspired by you. And I when I when I saw you say that in a podcast, I then thought well, I'm gonna go and see what I can find out about your children. You must be so proud of that. Right.


And you know, again, I think as a father that's the proudest moment is the proudest moment is not when you achieved something your proudest moment is when you get achieved something because you know, that your wisdom that you have over the years learned has not gone to waste because You know, interesting thing about children is the tuned. They don't do what you tell, they do what they see. Yeah, right. And that's just amazing is that we preach, a lot of us have a habit of telling our children what to do. And then we don't really do that. And I think it's really amazing. I remember a friend of mine came to me one day and you know, why is it that my children are just want to have a job and your children are going out and becoming an entrepreneur? And I see, can you tell me, what did you tell them that to go do that? And I said, I didn't tell them anything I did. And I said, Now I have to ask you all your life, what have you been doing, you have been a manager in a company because you were scared to step out and start your own company. And when you tell your kids go start your own company, they're looking at that, you come home every day, and you hate your job, and you don't quit, because that's what you think the world is about. If you come pitch at home, how much you hate your job, but you don't start a company and you're peaching me to start a company.


That's crazy. entrepreneur, ship. risk taker. But then when I dig a bit deeper, I realized that also comes from a Sanskrit word meaning where you have this sense of something that you just have to do, it's not about risk has nothing to do with. This is what I must do is that your interpretation of what is the word entrepreneur mean to you?


Naveen Jain  36:38

It's someone who is obsessed about solving a problem is an entrepreneur, right? We talked about the passion is for hobbies, passion is not what you need, you need a true obsession, when you jump out of the bed. and wanting to solve that problem is what makes you an entrepreneur. So I always tell people that I don't care what it is, when you wake up in the morning. If you're not jumping out of the bed, whatever you're doing is not your calling, find your true calling. What is it that you meant to do in this world? What is it that word means to you go out and do that, everything will happen. And this idea of entrepreneurship has to money, which is really the to me, somehow people believe they want to make money, and then they get frustrated, they don't make money. So what I found was a key concept here, I just wanted to bring it up. One was this idea of unhappiness that you have, or the, you know, people who feel that I'm frustrated. It is the gap between what is expectations and reality, and they will do things to change the reality or change that expectations like here I was, that is easy to know, making money is a by-product. It is actually the output of the things that happen. If you focus it as a destiny, any goal, you will always actually miss it. And I think a lot of young people don't quite understand. So I tell them, making money is like having an orgasm. If you focus on it, you're never going to get it. You just have to enjoy the process.


Pete Cohen  38:24

It's so so, so obvious and so, so true. So I want, I want to fire some questions at you have, obviously, we could talk all day, every day. And I appreciate many things.


By the way, I just bought your book, Moonshots, I bought it on Audible and started listening to it. Yes, I can't wait to get to that. But in terms of Viome, and the people that are listening to this all over the world. And I know now there's some new technology that you also created. What can it do to people and how can people find out about it?


Naveen Jain  39:03

I mean, this, I don't want to use this, to actually know what I'm doing. But fundamentally, my belief was wild that you know, once you understand what's happening inside your body, we actually tell you here are the foods used to eat and why here are the ones you should avoid and why. And here are the ingredients, extract enzymes to supplement, the probiotics, the prebiotics, and we actually made them for you and ship them to you. So it is literally not just personalized precisely what you need, and nothing that you don't. And to me, we are absolutely convinced now that we have a quarter million people who tell us they lose weight, they have better energy, they actually sleep better. They have, you know, all the issue that they were facing about their life, mental health, depression, anxiety is going away but very interesting is that what happens in the gut actually controls our brain, and in fact there were a couple of very interesting research that recently came out, they took the people who are addicted to alcohol, and they transplanted it on a new micro biome and their addiction to alcohol went away. And now we see the same thing, depression, we have so many people who are have depression or anxiety and they change their diet and the depression and anxiety who's making all these diseases, all the diseases that are happening to us, actually we are the cause of it. Who are the food ingredients Our food is the medicine or is the information, and I've got is a computer depending on what information you put in the output actually changes. So if you can see if you know exactly what foods you should be eating or not, and everybody is different, and you have to remember go back to Hippocrates one, you know, it is. Let food be thy medicine, every you know every disease begins in the gut one man's food is another man's voice and yes you can see how your spinach is healthy may not be healthy for you.


Pete Cohen  1:42

Well, I tell you, I really appreciate what you said there about if you don't want to do so people can go and find out for themselves and I think this is one of the things I would encourage everyone to do, if you've taken something from Naveen share it with somebody else, and go and follow him. You're on a lot of videos on YouTube, you've got Instagram LinkedIn, your book Moonshots, and there's so much more to you and what you're about, but let's just start off with a just finish up with a few quick questions. Tell me one or one or two of your favorite books that you've ever read.


Naveen Jain  2:18

Obviously Moonshots is that my favorite book I love that, I love writing it because I thought this was you know, everything that I have learned over the years I want to write it for our children so that is a book I wrote, other books that I'm really really fascinated by is you know Clayton Christensen book called How Will You Measure Your Life? And I think was really good about that you can only be 100% honest and 100% in dignity. You cannot be 99% because once you take the slippery slope basis there is no stopping. Right. So How Will You Measure Your Life? by Clayton Christensen just a great book.


Pete Cohen  2:54

Have you read Think and Grow Rich?


Naveen Jain  2:57

That is good is a good book. It's a great book is that you know every everybody was going to psych, a psychological test, a psychology course probably.


Pete Cohen  3:05

Yeah, I love what you said and I heard you say in a podcast. Looking at lots of different people saying a particular subject, and learning from different people and then formulate your own opinion. I'm so grateful to you and everything, and everything you stand for everything you do, what can I do for you is anything I can do for you, spreading this podcast out into the world. What can I do for you?


Naveen Jain  3:27

I think to me what you're doing, keep doing. Honestly, Pete you have done plenty, is the fact that you bring in your energy you bring in the love you bring in the hope to people and that's all I can ask for because it's every one of you out there is really the truly the great leader in this world.


Pete Cohen  3:45

Thank you so much. What have you got planned for the rest of the day on your island?


Naveen Jain  3:50

I have a meeting in about 10 minutes I just get ready for the next one. And I hope everyone listening could go to Viome.com and actually check it out for yourself.


Pete Cohen  3:59

I would most definitely encourage people who are interested in learning and understanding more about health, really, all real great health all starts in the gut. Right. And I've taken so much away from this myself. I'm very, very grateful. And I wish you a Happy, happy beautiful day. And definitely our paths will cross again. Thank you.

1 Comment

  1. Diana Wild

    What a rich podcast with lots of learnings to incorporate into our own lives!

    Thank you Pete and Naveen.


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